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yeah I you long to be stable give me the

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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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yes it's the skeptic Zone episode number

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Richard Saunders here with you from a

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very very windy Sydney Australia their

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trees coming down power lights have come

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blowing a gale outside now that little

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was a you would have guessed the landing

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of curiosity the new rover on Mars i

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went to the sydney observatory we're in

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one of their sort of lecture rooms there

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they had a big screen setup and the room

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was absolutely packed with people biting

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their nails as the little little

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curiosity went down through the Martian

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surface very exciting very exciting

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the video that's going to be coming back

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from Mars over the next term weeks

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months and hopefully years but now on to

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this week's episode of the skeptic zone

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more from may not of course more from a

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nod from the amazing meeting this week

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may not catches up with Bob novella Bob

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novella one of the great rogues from the

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skeptics guide to the universe then has

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a quick chat with a good friend of ours

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one of the Melbourne skeptics lindley or

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posting lindley as she's known and

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hill from doubtful news Wow anybody who

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is anybody as a is that the amazing

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meeting sharon hill from doubtful news

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and then may nod visits the the Friday

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the 13th room at tam and chats to

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Margaret Downey then after the break I

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catch up with Liam Jones an Australian

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living in Las Vegas who's going to tell

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us about that student activism and some

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websites and then to wrap up the show

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wow this one's a bit out of left field

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the other night Sydney skeptics in the

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pub or I gave a little talk about the

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come along a palm reader now they end up

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telling me nerd all about their the

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claim the palm reading claim how it

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works their experiences and they even

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read me nods palm and then go on to read

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the palm of a run sir give who was there

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so now here's the lesson have a listen

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have a listen to what the palm reader

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and her husband say have a listened do

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you think you're a good skeptic and you

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know you're skeptical chops and you know

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your logical fallacies and how arguments

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what's happening with claims of the

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paranormal have a listen to what these

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going on what do you think is going on

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why they making such a claims what's has

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magical powers to read palms have a

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out there so this episode of the skeptic

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zone will really get you thinking I

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announcements of some websites that you

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from somebody saying that do i'd really

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dangerous i'm going to walk carefully

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a nice glass of a white wine from New

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Zealand they make some pretty damn good

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white wines I'm going to come back

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years may not spooky action at a

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but that well the station know not many

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podcasts have their own room I was in

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illusion that he doesn't drink alcohol

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it's completely false but here we are in

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the SG room SGU room skeptics guide to

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that but I'm here with mr. Bob novella

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hi Bob how are you great manner how are

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you oh look I'm fun this is my first tan

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but like this is like this is like money

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for old rope for you guys generally

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terms of you guys been to as the

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skeptics guide to the universe well we

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an influence and have you heard you'll

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for sure I mentioned in an area where go

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extremely excited because Pixar's Pixar

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at at Pixar and they gave us a fantastic

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that everyone knows about is the face

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uncovered um like what do you mean

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as myself sometimes I have to cover

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to sniff it out yeah dad's and that's

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why it's so important to really be

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report on it properly without having to

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spend weeks in researches to get up to

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speed and you know what's a boson what's

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going on with that and and so so yeah so

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that's why it's so much better to be to

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be you know to come to the table already

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prepared in terms of just a basic

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science background so that it's not so

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easily

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the swallow some of the stuff that

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they're they're throwing out there and

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what kind of emails do you get you must

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get a lot of emails from your listeners

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very happy with the show and then you

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get any mails that that isn't a

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complaint it's not a compliment it just

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doesn't make a lot of sense you get a

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lot of emails like that because there

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are a lot of listeners like that oh yeah

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or the overall majority of our emails

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are fantastic they people who are just

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saying that they did love the show

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obviously and then they'll have the over

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latest story to us that we might be

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interested in talking about on the

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podcast or the ones that we especially

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like were the ones that people are

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saying that you know how we really

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affected their lives there the course of

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their education some people will say

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that you know I'm studying physics and

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nanotechnology because of you or or the

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real surprising ones are that where they

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come back and say that I was at the far

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end of the spectrum and into the woo

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deep really deep and because if you guys

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have completely turned around and I'm a

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skeptic now i'm not sure why they

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listened to us in the first place

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because usually generally you don't

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listen to two people who are you know

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180 degrees away from your beliefs which

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is it's a good thing to do but not many

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people do it but those kinds of emails

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are fantastic but of course there's a

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small smattering of emails where they're

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they're just kind of very mean and and

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some of them are really incomprehensible

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and we just like we email each other's

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back and forth seeing what's this guy

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talking about and we can't even figure

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out you know you know you know what he

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was talking about and and when you get

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so many emails yeah there's bound to be

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a small percentage that are dead or just

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wacky and off the wall so one of those

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upload okay if you don't like a show you

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just stop listening and you might write

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a little letter to them saying why you

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don't like the show but why you would

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repeatedly keep writing to a show saying

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you don't like it I've never been able

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to figure out why you do that yeah I

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haven't actually I haven't done a study

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to find out how how many repeat emails

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we get but clear yes some people love

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most of the show and certain aspects of

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the show they don't like so maybe

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they're listening to a for what they

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really like like say science or fiction

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and the science news but other aspects

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they don't like but and that's fine it's

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hard to please it's hard to have people

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of all parts of your entire show and

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that's okay just fast forward it passes

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the stuff you don't like and if you

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don't like one of the personalities on

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the show

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well that's okay to just fast-forward

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past him or her now um how do you think

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you have opened the door for people to

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get interested in science and what do

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you think it is about your show that has

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fired them off because like you said

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they've had to find the show in the

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first place and then you've interested

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them in specific areas of science not

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just generally did any idea how you've

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done that it's well the chemistry among

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all of us I think is one of the main

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reasons where we've achieved the

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popularity that we have and J Steve and

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I and we grew up together so we're all

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on such similar wavelengths and and

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we've you know we've been chatting about

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this kind of stuff for a year so this is

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something that we've done for so long

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that it's very easy for us to you know

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to get into these conversations and then

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of course Evan and Rebecca just we all

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just kind of fit together so well and

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our chemistry is so good that people

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pick up on it and it we've been told

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that people feel like they're like the

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you know the the you know the person in

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the room that's not talking and just

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listening to the conversation they

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really feel engaged in part of it and

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and I you know it from my point of view

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this the science I mean if you like

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science I try to pick items that are

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that are really interesting to me and

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hopefully more interest as well

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interesting to other people and I think

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they're picking up on that somebody and

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we try to I try to explain this stuff in

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ways that make it interesting and fun

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and well you've completely completely

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ruined Prometheus for me like between

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you and Georgia Rob that's it I'm gonna

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have to watch it on a hotel three in the

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morning on a plane I mean you ruined it

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for me now maybe you shouldn't haha I

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know that was a very frustrating movie

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uh and even you know opinions amongst us

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me Jay Jay reveal that he was really

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hated that movie but for me I think I

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mentioned on the show there was some

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great stuff to it in terms of just

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visually the cinematography was

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beautiful the special effects were

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fantastic and but other parts were just

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really really bad so we would try to

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mention all that so you could so you

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could I know judge it on your own if

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you're the kind of person that can can

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go to a movie and appreciate the movie

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visually then then may I go see it but

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if but if you're really turned off by

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the bad signs which we all are but two a

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really great degree then maybe wait till

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it comes becomes on cable if you want to

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say it but it was a frustrating movie

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very frustrating that they're not taking

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the science as seriously as they should

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especially Ridley Scott I mean look at

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his you know Blade Runner alien it's

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expected a lot more from him especially

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from the gist of the characterizations

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and the acting and the story I was

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disappointed with that so yeah I'm Bob

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Bob novella I you're a huge Carl Sagan

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fan and i bought demon haunted world at

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tam australia and i founded a difficult

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book to finish because i found it the

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ideas and concepts are in there but i

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found it a little drive for me and as an

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entrance to it's a skepticism it was a

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little bit dry i don't know why that was

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the case and keeping that in mind you

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worried about what might happen with the

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redoing of cosmos with the Seth Green

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involved with it um I'm not you're

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worried what I know about the

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personalities involved i think they're

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going to do a fantastic job and also i

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think that there's on a great

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opportunity to appeal to other you know

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younger kids that make that might look

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at carl sagan's show from what was that

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from the 70s or the 80s oh yeah i think

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like somebody's early eighties yeah they

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might look at that and say and just be

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turned off just because it's you know so

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you know the world the turtleneck might

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turn the affair right even the fashion

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might turn them off but you know to

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bring sagan Sagan's ideas and beliefs to

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a new generation like that i think i

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think it's worth it and from what I know

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the people involved i think they're

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going to do a fantastic job so I'm not

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too worried about and really excited to

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see it and I can't wait for it to come

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out and and and so I found Damon hold of

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the world a little dries are there any

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other skeptic book you could recommend

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for me or for the beginner listener out

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there going they'd like to dive into a

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bit of reading I'm well I've got to

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recommend flim-flam I mean come on there

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you go Randy's a fantastic book if you

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wanted you know a fantastic preferred

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sign you know for skepticism I would say

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just just go right to that I can't

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recommend too many books have more than

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that and why aren't you guys bigger why

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aren't you on terrestrial radio why

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aren't we seeing photos of you guys on

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Billboard's going science is good for

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you shut up you know that sort of thing

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because so many things sell so much

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better than then what were you know

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we're you know where's what are we

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selling here we're selling uh you know

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you're selling critical thinking and

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people here that may go I thought to do

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thinking and I think that's always a

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problem isn't it right it is it is a

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problem and I mean people that sell hope

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I mean how do you compete with people

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that that sell these scams and these

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books and this nonsense that offering up

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offering the hope I did how do you

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compete with that you really really

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can't you've got it runs no that's seen

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in the Muppets movie where they're

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trying to sell their show to the network

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in the latest Muppet movie I can see all

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this to you people lined up there and

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we're going to teach people to think

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think out of the office I can see it's

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something like that you know but and

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then the next person comes didn't like a

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little pill here's the show uses your

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sign that kind of thing you know it's no

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silver bullet with your show no it isn't

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it takes it takes dedication you know it

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takes the desired and the appreciation

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of critical thinking and science and

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unfortunately a lot of people just don't

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have that so it's hard to appeal to a

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broad audience uh you know like the like

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the Jersey Shore I mean how do you know

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I compete with those demographics that

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people it's really hard it's really hard

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so Rebecca's drinking as much as you can

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haha well yeah if there's that but um

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but yeah the hope is that as time goes

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on more and more people will appreciate

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the value of critical thinking

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especially with all these scams and

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people losing money maybe they'll start

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appreciating more the fact that you know

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what you can achieve if you're just a

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good critical thinker and so yeah

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there's always that hope and but I think

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it's going to be hard for a long long

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time to compete with a to have such

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broad appeal that did you know other

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aspects of our culture have it's just

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too it's just a part of human nature and

522
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what you got it but we got to try to

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rise above that look up group thank you

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for the time to date because no chance

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you actually having Erich von Daniken on

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your show sometime in the near future as

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a guest of a rogue is it I am not sure

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if he's on our list but i'll check the

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list and see if I can get him on there's

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a few people in front of him yeah yeah

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it is indeed and look at that we're all

532
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the way here in Las Vegas but it's none

533
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other than posting lindley hello Maynard

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so it gives a little bit off your normal

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postal route isn't it a lot of my

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different postal route do you think that

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the American Postal we could learn

538
00:20:36,210 --> 00:20:34,300
something from the AmeriCorps postal

539
00:20:38,100 --> 00:20:36,220
system has there been some of the

540
00:20:40,170 --> 00:20:38,110
mailman news segways howdy reckon Segway

541
00:20:41,370 --> 00:20:40,180
would go in Australia to deliver mail I

542
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:41,380
mean I know they're illegal because you

543
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:43,210
can't use them on the footpath or on the

544
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:44,530
road but do you think they'd be more

545
00:20:48,450 --> 00:20:46,330
effective as a delivery vehicle for mail

546
00:20:50,430 --> 00:20:48,460
as compared to the old postie bike not

547
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:50,440
when the American post office is nearly

548
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:52,720
out of business oh yes but that's only

549
00:20:56,610 --> 00:20:54,730
because they had to pay their

550
00:20:58,170 --> 00:20:56,620
superannuation many years in advance so

551
00:20:59,820 --> 00:20:58,180
they actually do make a profit but it

552
00:21:01,110 --> 00:20:59,830
goes into the superannuation fund that

553
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:01,120
they've been forced to pay I know

554
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:02,290
they're trying to get us all on push

555
00:21:09,090 --> 00:21:07,210
bikes that's too hard too much work now

556
00:21:13,810 --> 00:21:09,100
what are you looking forward to this

557
00:21:18,190 --> 00:21:16,000
by the way to debate you a picture post

558
00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:18,200
he literally has two drinks one drink in

559
00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:19,760
each hand in both those glasses of

560
00:21:26,410 --> 00:21:22,400
pretty much half empty people and full

561
00:21:27,790 --> 00:21:26,420
of vodka yeah so what do you really look

562
00:21:29,860 --> 00:21:27,800
I'm listening I definitely Penn &

563
00:21:31,330 --> 00:21:29,870
Teller's bacon and donut buddy which is

564
00:21:32,740 --> 00:21:31,340
tomorrow night it's just tomorrow night

565
00:21:35,260 --> 00:21:32,750
and they'll have both male and female

566
00:21:36,850 --> 00:21:35,270
strippers and that'll be fun both sorts

567
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:36,860
of strippers I sorts of strippers and I

568
00:21:40,030 --> 00:21:38,210
could probably have a transgender one as

569
00:21:42,370 --> 00:21:40,040
well yeah definitely that'll go down

570
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:42,380
well that would be very cool and i had a

571
00:21:46,780 --> 00:21:44,480
Henderson somewhere before too she's got

572
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:46,790
a little mohawk she looks fantastic who

573
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:50,960
is the she plays in penance man I can't

574
00:21:54,490 --> 00:21:52,730
remember what she plays but she sings as

575
00:21:57,310 --> 00:21:54,500
well so she she lost such as a famous

576
00:22:00,520 --> 00:21:57,320
Davis isn't she I think so yes yes I'll

577
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:00,530
be looking forward to talking to dad if

578
00:22:09,820 --> 00:22:08,710
well it's finally happening a whole

579
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:09,830
bunch of people hanging around waiting

580
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:11,360
for Brian Dunning to appear how

581
00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:13,280
disappointed I am I've already seen

582
00:22:17,650 --> 00:22:14,960
Brian today hopefully because he's

583
00:22:20,500 --> 00:22:17,660
driving a cab buzzy no he was checking

584
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:20,510
in the hotel yes and tells who you are

585
00:22:25,930 --> 00:22:23,210
and why you're here i'm sharon hill I

586
00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:25,940
run the doubtful news website that's a

587
00:22:30,250 --> 00:22:28,130
great website and I write a great nice

588
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:30,260
twitter feed oh thank you very much I

589
00:22:34,030 --> 00:22:31,730
really appreciate that yeah we work

590
00:22:36,370 --> 00:22:34,040
really hard on it it's all the the cool

591
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:36,380
skeptic news the weird news you know the

592
00:22:40,270 --> 00:22:37,850
stuff you don't want to know but need to

593
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:40,280
know and where is it how can we find and

594
00:22:43,870 --> 00:22:41,600
tell us tell us I wanna know I wanna

595
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:43,880
know I really want to know that's

596
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:46,250
doubtful news.com and I know some people

597
00:22:52,930 --> 00:22:50,090
have trouble spelling doubt do you BTW

598
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:52,940
ful calm so you can have a whole stack

599
00:22:58,270 --> 00:22:54,770
of stuff on your twitter feed what's the

600
00:23:00,880 --> 00:22:58,280
word that really annoys you oh boy um

601
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:00,890
well you know we started on a Bigfoot

602
00:23:06,130 --> 00:23:03,650
for a while and the Bigfoot news got so

603
00:23:08,620 --> 00:23:06,140
weird that we had to stop covering it

604
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:08,630
because we had like libel threats and

605
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:11,770
and yeah I mean Bigfoot is now a

606
00:23:16,330 --> 00:23:14,690
casualty of the Colorado fire scene is

607
00:23:19,210 --> 00:23:16,340
burned in the fire and there's rumors

608
00:23:23,170 --> 00:23:19,220
that you know there was Bigfoot shot and

609
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:23,180
killed the news just got so weird here's

610
00:23:29,620 --> 00:23:25,600
a question for you is it crypto zoology

611
00:23:31,420 --> 00:23:29,630
or cryptozoology well that depends on

612
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:31,430
how conceited you want to make it oh

613
00:23:36,940 --> 00:23:34,400
yeah i'm caught up myself then it's

614
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:36,950
zoology yes because the second row is in

615
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:39,200
ology right right so if you want to be

616
00:23:44,860 --> 00:23:41,930
very scientifical in particular about it

617
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:44,870
you can call it cryptozoology Bigfoot's

618
00:23:48,940 --> 00:23:46,640
pretty well but what's the strangest one

619
00:23:50,530 --> 00:23:48,950
you've any that Tunguska event something

620
00:23:51,550 --> 00:23:50,540
turned up from the grassy knoll what's

621
00:23:55,630 --> 00:23:51,560
one of the strangest ones you've had

622
00:23:56,590 --> 00:23:55,640
recently oh boy um there's been some you

623
00:23:58,300 --> 00:23:56,600
never know what you're going to come up

624
00:24:01,690 --> 00:23:58,310
with but they're you know people say

625
00:24:05,140 --> 00:24:01,700
that UFOs are watching our nuclear

626
00:24:07,060 --> 00:24:05,150
facilities here in the US oh I mean it's

627
00:24:08,690 --> 00:24:07,070
probably something in an independent or

628
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:08,700
visitor would like to have a look at

629
00:24:14,210 --> 00:24:10,890
I mean you know it's if we stuff it up

630
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:14,220
it's a big thing but we just never know

631
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:16,410
what as anyone who's ever watched land

632
00:24:20,510 --> 00:24:18,690
of the giants that Oh an allen classic

633
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,520
they used to shoot the nuclear waste

634
00:24:24,140 --> 00:24:22,320
into space and that's why the giant

635
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:24,150
people were really angry with the little

636
00:24:30,350 --> 00:24:25,650
earth people well that's a good story

637
00:24:31,610 --> 00:24:30,360
yeah like that yeah yes accessible but

638
00:24:33,170 --> 00:24:31,620
what's the one that makes you see red

639
00:24:38,210 --> 00:24:33,180
what makes you shake your fist at the

640
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:38,220
television um anti vax anti back so when

641
00:24:41,870 --> 00:24:39,840
you're talking about lives at stake

642
00:24:43,010 --> 00:24:41,880
they're really makes me angry this is

643
00:24:44,990 --> 00:24:43,020
kind of what I don't make too many jokes

644
00:24:46,910 --> 00:24:45,000
about because it is that way yeah I mean

645
00:24:49,370 --> 00:24:46,920
UFOs other stuff yeah and what's the

646
00:24:51,140 --> 00:24:49,380
harm yeah but with an evac year and in

647
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:51,150
this area where we are Nevada what does

648
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:53,250
the vaccination rate around here is this

649
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:54,570
a bit of a hippie trippy place like

650
00:25:01,010 --> 00:24:57,330
California um the population is kind of

651
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:01,020
low in Nevada in general a Las Vegas

652
00:25:04,850 --> 00:25:02,730
Reno has got a few big cities but

653
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:04,860
otherwise the people are like really

654
00:25:10,130 --> 00:25:06,240
really spread out I'm actually from

655
00:25:13,130 --> 00:25:10,140
Pennsylvania Oh Bethlehem I need Joshua

656
00:25:14,660 --> 00:25:13,140
about a about two hours away that's a

657
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:14,670
good distance to be from him you know

658
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:17,370
you otherwise will shave your head I've

659
00:25:21,789 --> 00:25:18,690
been there a couple times to visit I've

660
00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:21,799
been to geologic central there before

661
00:25:28,869 --> 00:25:24,049
so tell us what's George shrubs house

662
00:25:30,729 --> 00:25:28,879
like um I wasn't in his house I was he

663
00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:30,739
might had a poster of Aragon Daniken or

664
00:25:36,940 --> 00:25:32,809
something up there I was I was

665
00:25:38,229 --> 00:25:36,950
interviewing misinformation so y le do

666
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:38,239
remember all right here in the

667
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:40,159
background I don't she is she gonna be

668
00:25:43,060 --> 00:25:41,570
here to shoot I don't think she's

669
00:25:46,060 --> 00:25:43,070
hearing this year but she's such a doll

670
00:25:48,249 --> 00:25:46,070
yeah oh he is incredibly cute that's for

671
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:48,259
sure she's smart she's cute she talks in

672
00:25:51,489 --> 00:25:50,090
the background she writes everything for

673
00:25:53,919 --> 00:25:51,499
George he hasn't had an original idea

674
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:53,929
since 85 I believe he's she's written

675
00:25:57,999 --> 00:25:55,279
everything for him since then I'm not

676
00:25:59,049 --> 00:25:58,009
skeptical that at all and actually what

677
00:26:00,489 --> 00:25:59,059
is this what do you what do you get out

678
00:26:02,729 --> 00:26:00,499
of a weekend like this but everybody

679
00:26:05,769 --> 00:26:02,739
here I hope I feel like when I am

680
00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:05,779
insistent that Adam West was the best

681
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:08,809
Batman ever and you know and Shatner was

682
00:26:12,909 --> 00:26:11,090
the best cook ever and I cooked in for

683
00:26:15,399 --> 00:26:12,919
bit of trouble this weekend yes you're

684
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:15,409
probably right you'll find some diverse

685
00:26:24,999 --> 00:26:17,210
opinion you're christian bale batman are

686
00:26:28,299 --> 00:26:25,009
you oh how did you know yeah yes I am

687
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:28,309
does anyone ever say George Clooney was

688
00:26:31,659 --> 00:26:30,320
one wasn't he does and he does anyone

689
00:26:33,399 --> 00:26:31,669
ever say George Clooney was the best

690
00:26:35,529 --> 00:26:33,409
Batman never I don't think that was his

691
00:26:37,299 --> 00:26:35,539
best work no you know so it's kind of

692
00:26:39,999 --> 00:26:37,309
forgettable yeah yeah but you're right

693
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:40,009
he was pretty good what I'd say yeah

694
00:26:43,869 --> 00:26:42,559
well have a great time and I'm it's time

695
00:26:46,830 --> 00:26:43,879
for me to have some drinking and by the

696
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:46,840
way what is a skeptical dream

697
00:26:53,340 --> 00:26:49,570
I don't know it's wide variety some some

698
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:53,350
of us don't drink it all wine beer mixed

699
00:26:58,140 --> 00:26:55,120
drinks we got the whole array here jet

700
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:58,150
lag and wine fantastic combination oh

701
00:27:04,740 --> 00:26:59,440
hang on knows I've been doing something

702
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:04,750
hang on hang on me well worth this prop

703
00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:13,299
there you go this there you go basically

704
00:27:16,750 --> 00:27:15,289
means your time's up and what he looking

705
00:27:19,090 --> 00:27:16,760
forward to them what speaker this

706
00:27:20,350 --> 00:27:19,100
weekend is going to be I mean dr. Rachel

707
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:20,360
obviously cause she's got some naked

708
00:27:22,899 --> 00:27:21,679
soccer players she's going to show on

709
00:27:25,630 --> 00:27:22,909
the big screen there but this is

710
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:25,640
something fun anywhere particular Bruce

711
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:28,850
hood Professor Bruce hood I'm big fan of

712
00:27:33,850 --> 00:27:31,370
his yes I love listening to him he's

713
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:33,860
gonna be talking on Friday imagine about

714
00:27:38,019 --> 00:27:36,559
his new book yeah and by the way the

715
00:27:42,460 --> 00:27:38,029
person you're listening to is wearing a

716
00:27:44,649 --> 00:27:42,470
kiss t-shirt a little bit little bear is

717
00:27:47,289 --> 00:27:44,659
yeah I like things that are original one

718
00:27:53,019 --> 00:27:47,299
last question I was made for loving you

719
00:27:56,139 --> 00:27:53,029
a sell out or not oh man yes but it was

720
00:27:58,289 --> 00:27:56,149
still good I still love that song even

721
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:58,299
when they do sellouts I do it well yeah

722
00:28:02,289 --> 00:28:00,799
where's the roller skates we were

723
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:02,299
supposed to be rollerskating up the

724
00:28:07,060 --> 00:28:04,610
halls to Xanadu good right about to say

725
00:28:09,730 --> 00:28:07,070
Xanadu yes all over the world Olivia

726
00:28:11,370 --> 00:28:09,740
yeah oh yeah I need to drink some more

727
00:28:16,029 --> 00:28:11,380
yeah now what's the website again

728
00:28:17,950 --> 00:28:16,039
doubtful news com here is my card my

729
00:28:19,899 --> 00:28:17,960
first kind of the weekend exciting i'm

730
00:28:21,250 --> 00:28:19,909
currently carry these ID cards you know

731
00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:21,260
we throw them out we hand them out to

732
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:23,510
people so they don't forget us can you

733
00:28:27,940 --> 00:28:26,090
explain richardsaunders hiccup I haven't

734
00:28:29,980 --> 00:28:27,950
seen Richard yet he has a new haircut or

735
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:29,990
just his regular haircut it's very

736
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:39,110
look Richard you just brought me into

737
00:28:42,020 --> 00:28:41,010
this very strange room here I thought it

738
00:28:43,220 --> 00:28:42,030
was a room that wasn't finished yet

739
00:28:44,780 --> 00:28:43,230
because there's a ladder in the middle

740
00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:44,790
of it that was my night and today

741
00:28:48,530 --> 00:28:46,860
happens to be friday the 13th or at the

742
00:28:50,150 --> 00:28:48,540
amazing meaning of course as a little

743
00:28:52,820 --> 00:28:50,160
room set aside here off the main

744
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:52,830
corridor full of the most interesting

745
00:28:58,580 --> 00:28:56,010
items spread out there's food spread out

746
00:29:00,830 --> 00:28:58,590
before us there's a Ouija board over in

747
00:29:02,660 --> 00:29:00,840
the corner as an 8-ball a ladder as you

748
00:29:04,970 --> 00:29:02,670
mentioned before I have to wonder may

749
00:29:06,980 --> 00:29:04,980
not horseshoes what's going on well I've

750
00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:06,990
just behind me there's a nurse well

751
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:08,460
certainly someone who is dressed like

752
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,770
one who've we got here hello my name is

753
00:29:15,050 --> 00:29:12,720
Margaret Downey and i am the frigate

754
00:29:17,380 --> 00:29:15,060
triskaidekaphobia treatment nurse and

755
00:29:20,390 --> 00:29:17,390
you are in the frigate triskaidekaphobia

756
00:29:21,950 --> 00:29:20,400
treatment center I saw the sign at the

757
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:21,960
front and I knew it meant something I

758
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:23,610
thought it mighta Venus is fear of water

759
00:29:27,650 --> 00:29:25,770
what exactly what it was it well tell us

760
00:29:30,350 --> 00:29:27,660
all about it okay this is for people who

761
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:30,360
have fear and trepidation about friday

762
00:29:34,790 --> 00:29:32,640
the 13th so we invite the man for a

763
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:34,800
little treatment we put them through an

764
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:37,530
obstacle course and we have them sign up

765
00:29:44,510 --> 00:29:40,640
to break for instance the mayan calendar

766
00:29:46,490 --> 00:29:44,520
pinata and one person one lucky person

767
00:29:49,010 --> 00:29:46,500
will be selected this afternoon to do

768
00:29:52,970 --> 00:29:49,020
that and we also pick one lucky person

769
00:29:55,940 --> 00:29:52,980
to break a mirror and of course we don't

770
00:29:58,220 --> 00:29:55,950
believe in seven years bad luck so but I

771
00:29:59,870 --> 00:29:58,230
do have to admit having a bit of a fear

772
00:30:01,790 --> 00:29:59,880
of the Ouija board for some reason

773
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:01,800
there's something about potentially

774
00:30:06,260 --> 00:30:04,050
contacting another realm that it fires

775
00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:06,270
up in me now I don't know why this is

776
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:08,340
and have you got an explanation to why I

777
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:09,840
may be feeling that way let me give you

778
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:13,650
a cat scan and see what's going on wow

779
00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:15,330
that's that's a nice cat you just held

780
00:30:17,870 --> 00:30:16,710
up in front of me there I guess thought

781
00:30:19,010 --> 00:30:17,880
you had to give up on the real one

782
00:30:21,380 --> 00:30:19,020
because they wouldn't cooperate with

783
00:30:24,410 --> 00:30:21,390
that exactly but look what your mind

784
00:30:27,470 --> 00:30:24,420
revealed you have secret superstitions

785
00:30:28,970 --> 00:30:27,480
hidden in your brain and I know that

786
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:28,980
going through the treatment center you

787
00:30:34,460 --> 00:30:30,930
have butterflies in your stomach

788
00:30:36,410 --> 00:30:34,470
that's uncanny well please help yourself

789
00:30:39,230 --> 00:30:36,420
to free literature and look at all the

790
00:30:42,430 --> 00:30:39,240
museum setups because we talk about food

791
00:30:44,780 --> 00:30:42,440
related superstitions animal-related

792
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:44,790
superstitions and all superstitions in

793
00:30:48,380 --> 00:30:46,770
between well now there must be somewhere

794
00:30:50,930 --> 00:30:48,390
online we can share in this kind of

795
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:50,940
thing yes I have a website so please

796
00:30:57,140 --> 00:30:53,090
visit the frigate triskaidekaphobia

797
00:30:59,300 --> 00:30:57,150
dot-com a website is it that much room

798
00:31:01,760 --> 00:30:59,310
in a browser URL do you know if you put

799
00:31:03,770 --> 00:31:01,770
fri GG in there it'll come up

800
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:03,780
automatically and you'll get right to my

801
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:07,050
website and I love to share my ideas

802
00:31:12,770 --> 00:31:10,050
about throwing parties teaching critical

803
00:31:15,410 --> 00:31:12,780
thinking skills through the use of this

804
00:31:17,270 --> 00:31:15,420
particular idea so duplicate it all over

805
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:17,280
the world thank you in the u.s. what is

806
00:31:22,460 --> 00:31:20,010
the most common superstition in this

807
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:22,470
room that people seem to believe in well

808
00:31:28,250 --> 00:31:25,410
actually the the fear of friday the 13th

809
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:28,260
has a strange impact on the economy

810
00:31:33,610 --> 00:31:31,410
people don't buy houses people don't buy

811
00:31:36,890 --> 00:31:33,620
cars they don't get married they

812
00:31:39,050 --> 00:31:36,900
postpone all these major decisions even

813
00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:39,060
um you know whether they're going to

814
00:31:44,030 --> 00:31:41,580
pursue a career they think it's unlucky

815
00:31:46,820 --> 00:31:44,040
to start on a Friday the 13th hotels

816
00:31:48,290 --> 00:31:46,830
don't even have the 13th floor I kind of

817
00:31:50,660 --> 00:31:48,300
go the other way because i was born on a

818
00:31:52,550 --> 00:31:50,670
13 so I kind of like it as a bit of a

819
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:52,560
lucky day for me but I thought that was

820
00:31:56,900 --> 00:31:54,690
just me so that it that I really people

821
00:31:59,180 --> 00:31:56,910
do postpone major decisions yes yes and

822
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:59,190
it impacts our economy so we want to put

823
00:32:02,570 --> 00:32:01,200
a stop to it because there is some

824
00:32:04,490 --> 00:32:02,580
practical belief to some of them like

825
00:32:06,620 --> 00:32:04,500
walking under a ladder people might be

826
00:32:08,750 --> 00:32:06,630
doing something above could fall on you

827
00:32:11,060 --> 00:32:08,760
so there is that oh well that's common

828
00:32:12,620 --> 00:32:11,070
sense you don't want to walk under a

829
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:12,630
ladder with a heavy pale that's perched

830
00:32:18,590 --> 00:32:15,570
on top of course so when it makes sense

831
00:32:21,770 --> 00:32:18,600
you need to abide by certain precautions

832
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:21,780
but don't necessarily stop doing

833
00:32:28,220 --> 00:32:25,650
something if it if it's not real you

834
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:28,230
need to question that also oh you must

835
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:31,170
stop by and trash your horoscope because

836
00:32:37,310 --> 00:32:33,930
we we believe that we must stop

837
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:37,320
prejudices and people who abide by

838
00:32:41,270 --> 00:32:38,730
horoscopes

839
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:41,280
and the astrological signs are being

840
00:32:45,530 --> 00:32:42,960
prejudiced against those people that

841
00:32:47,690 --> 00:32:45,540
they try to categorize you see there's

842
00:32:51,409 --> 00:32:47,700
no such thing as categorizing yourself

843
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:51,419
according to us stars in the sky it's

844
00:32:57,530 --> 00:32:54,840
nonsense and then we also fight against

845
00:32:59,240 --> 00:32:57,540
prejudice against black cats yeah well

846
00:33:02,060 --> 00:32:59,250
I'm to stop that yeah and look you know

847
00:33:03,860 --> 00:33:02,070
particularly big big league big you all

848
00:33:05,630 --> 00:33:03,870
look like it I but Sir I believe you

849
00:33:07,820 --> 00:33:05,640
just took your life in your hands and

850
00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:07,830
walked under a ladder as I do every time

851
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:10,020
across the street Wow okay so how do you

852
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:12,240
feel about the same as it did before

853
00:33:16,669 --> 00:33:15,090
okay thank you wow that's that's one

854
00:33:18,049 --> 00:33:16,679
very little brave people come in here

855
00:33:21,470 --> 00:33:18,059
don't they well you know i'm going to

856
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:21,480
give this man a clean bill of mental

857
00:33:27,710 --> 00:33:24,090
health for having gone through our

858
00:33:32,990 --> 00:33:27,720
obstacle course what it says is that he

859
00:33:35,270 --> 00:33:33,000
has gone through his test and he now has

860
00:33:37,580 --> 00:33:35,280
no fear of friday the 13th and he's

861
00:33:40,580 --> 00:33:37,590
going to rely on intelligence and the

862
00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:40,590
scientific method for decision making

863
00:33:45,020 --> 00:33:43,110
well that's probably the best way to do

864
00:33:48,940 --> 00:33:45,030
it really is no yes now i'm going to go

865
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:48,950
over here and am I gonna get a bit again

866
00:33:54,409 --> 00:33:52,650
hello miss fortune teller oh and which

867
00:33:57,919 --> 00:33:54,419
university did you go to to get your PhD

868
00:34:00,770 --> 00:33:57,929
in fortune-telling oh this is a natural

869
00:34:02,060 --> 00:34:00,780
all natural born ability yes okay well

870
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:02,070
um now what are we going to go through

871
00:34:05,060 --> 00:34:03,570
here and by the way I'm these things

872
00:34:06,260 --> 00:34:05,070
always make me very nervous no matter

873
00:34:08,330 --> 00:34:06,270
what the cause I've got a thing about

874
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:08,340
this I don't know why you shouldn't be

875
00:34:12,889 --> 00:34:11,129
nervous I want you to relax I can see

876
00:34:14,330 --> 00:34:12,899
you seeing right through me now you can

877
00:34:16,430 --> 00:34:14,340
see all my secrets and everything and

878
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:16,440
I'm nervous it's mostly the cards in

879
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:19,530
this case see that's what I still feel

880
00:34:24,139 --> 00:34:21,450
guilty about stuff you say so guilty as

881
00:34:27,770 --> 00:34:24,149
if i was able to see right through you

882
00:34:29,090 --> 00:34:27,780
exactly mhmmm okay why not go anyway

883
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:29,100
need hypnotist see they've got a funny

884
00:34:36,020 --> 00:34:31,050
thing about that either see I just relax

885
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:36,030
close your eyes it's the cards what am I

886
00:34:39,740 --> 00:34:37,440
gonna do with the cards you will just

887
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:39,750
sit there and relax also and empty your

888
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:41,280
mind because I don't want I did that

889
00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:42,810
before I came yes I don't want you to

890
00:34:45,550 --> 00:34:44,220
have anything in your mind and I will

891
00:34:50,350 --> 00:34:45,560
lay them down right

892
00:34:52,630 --> 00:34:50,360
here and as soon as i'm done with my

893
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:52,640
layout but we can have a speed rating

894
00:34:56,860 --> 00:34:54,050
here because because there's a cellar

895
00:34:59,320 --> 00:34:56,870
manual mirus meshing well yes pick a

896
00:35:03,490 --> 00:34:59,330
card any card that you feel drawn to

897
00:35:06,010 --> 00:35:03,500
alright i would take and that is your

898
00:35:08,910 --> 00:35:06,020
misfortune read it there is not yet a

899
00:35:11,590 --> 00:35:08,920
pill or shot for your health problems oh

900
00:35:12,430 --> 00:35:11,600
okay yeah that's kind of right yeah I

901
00:35:13,870 --> 00:35:12,440
mean they haven't got the right

902
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:13,880
psychiatric drugs that would certainly

903
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:15,890
help me I know that for sure well okay

904
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:19,310
and you can pick this card what life has

905
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:21,440
no meaning at least for you yeah okay

906
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:24,320
yeah that's true oh hang on hang on a

907
00:35:27,130 --> 00:35:25,730
min are you saying these cards are all

908
00:35:29,290 --> 00:35:27,140
the general specific thing that could

909
00:35:33,010 --> 00:35:29,300
mean anything to anyone in need John hmm

910
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:33,020
is that what I'm saying are you I think

911
00:35:35,860 --> 00:35:34,250
I've got some thinking to do and you

912
00:35:38,590 --> 00:35:35,870
have a mirror to smashing no that's

913
00:35:40,420 --> 00:35:38,600
right I do thank you I don't know oh

914
00:35:41,830 --> 00:35:40,430
dear more thinking to do on your

915
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:41,840
shouldn't have come here thank you very

916
00:36:01,300 --> 00:35:58,569
the Australian skeptics National

917
00:36:03,609 --> 00:36:01,310
Convention for 2012 starts on Friday and

918
00:36:05,859 --> 00:36:03,619
November 30th with a cocktail evening at

919
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:05,869
Melvin's immigration museum where you

920
00:36:09,609 --> 00:36:07,970
can meet mingle with free and critical

921
00:36:11,950 --> 00:36:09,619
thinkers and some of your favorite

922
00:36:13,930 --> 00:36:11,960
skeptics the convention theme is active

923
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:13,940
skepticism changing for the better and

924
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,250
continues over the first and second of

925
00:36:20,740 --> 00:36:18,560
december at the stunning spot theater at

926
00:36:23,410 --> 00:36:20,750
the university of melbourne the lineup

927
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:23,420
so far includes James Randi DJ Grothe

928
00:36:28,450 --> 00:36:25,970
Brian Thompson rebecca watson lawrence

929
00:36:30,819 --> 00:36:28,460
lon ken harvey rachel dunlop Richard

930
00:36:32,380 --> 00:36:30,829
Saunders and many many others a gala

931
00:36:35,230 --> 00:36:32,390
dinner will be held on the saturday

932
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:35,240
night at melvins iconic Arts Center for

933
00:36:39,069 --> 00:36:37,130
more precise details and complete

934
00:36:41,559 --> 00:36:39,079
ticketing information make your way to

935
00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:41,569
the Victorian skeptics website and click

936
00:36:45,970 --> 00:36:43,730
on the blue button labeled convention

937
00:36:48,190 --> 00:36:45,980
details here you'll find more

938
00:36:50,410 --> 00:36:48,200
information on speakers accommodation

939
00:36:52,690 --> 00:36:50,420
transport and a photo gallery on the

940
00:36:54,579 --> 00:36:52,700
various venues you can keep up with

941
00:36:57,069 --> 00:36:54,589
ongoing developments via the facebook

942
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:57,079
page thats curiously named australian

943
00:37:02,230 --> 00:36:59,599
skeptics national convention 2012 and

944
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:02,240
don't forget to follow odds skip con on

945
00:37:24,510 --> 00:37:22,050
well folks here that cam is really in

946
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:24,520
full swing in fact it's a little break

947
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:26,170
now between sessions and i'm back at the

948
00:37:30,420 --> 00:37:28,480
skeptic the australian skeptics table

949
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:30,430
lots of people hundreds and hundreds of

950
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:32,800
people milling around that somebody

951
00:37:37,290 --> 00:37:34,480
who's come to sit next to me who i met

952
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:37,300
the other day its helium are you doing

953
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:39,490
I'm well now that's not American accent

954
00:37:45,150 --> 00:37:42,970
no now I'm an expert originally from

955
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:45,160
Perth and I've been living in Las Vegas

956
00:37:53,609 --> 00:37:48,880
for a year now and living in Los Vegas

957
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:53,619
is this dream come true for the record

958
00:37:58,290 --> 00:37:56,410
our to say yes I'm glad to hear it i

959
00:38:00,240 --> 00:37:58,300
like Las Vegas it's a fun place to visit

960
00:38:03,690 --> 00:38:00,250
I don't know about living here but so is

961
00:38:05,849 --> 00:38:03,700
a fun place to visit now you are very I

962
00:38:07,140 --> 00:38:05,859
am indebted to your very grateful

963
00:38:08,340 --> 00:38:07,150
because you offered to pick me up from

964
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:08,350
the airport which you did which was

965
00:38:13,109 --> 00:38:10,330
fabulous it's really nice to have a

966
00:38:14,490 --> 00:38:13,119
little bit of luxury like that and then

967
00:38:16,590 --> 00:38:14,500
I discovered that you're involved in a

968
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:16,600
very interesting organization here yes

969
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:19,450
it's the secular student alliance it's a

970
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:24,130
network of about 240 groups around the

971
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:28,570
nation high schools universities are

972
00:38:35,220 --> 00:38:32,650
current our local group consists of

973
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:35,230
about thirty to fifty members though 50

974
00:38:41,490 --> 00:38:38,170
total 30 regulars I think that the main

975
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:41,500
thing is to have a community so at least

976
00:38:48,110 --> 00:38:44,250
here in the United States

977
00:38:51,050 --> 00:38:48,120
atheists skeptics very very very low

978
00:38:53,540 --> 00:38:51,060
percentage of the population and I

979
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,550
cannot open be marginalizing being being

980
00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:55,200
an atheist in the United States I'd

981
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:57,720
absolutely believed that and I guess it

982
00:39:01,130 --> 00:38:59,520
also depends on where exactly where you

983
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:01,140
are in the United States said get

984
00:39:08,090 --> 00:39:05,370
different reactions exactly yes to be

985
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:08,100
fair Las Vegas's is probably one of the

986
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:12,240
more friendly places around there I also

987
00:39:18,380 --> 00:39:14,370
do other things so we we have group

988
00:39:20,170 --> 00:39:18,390
activities as a community we also get

989
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:20,180
speakers in so you have heard people

990
00:39:26,900 --> 00:39:23,730
like Ted Cox Darryl ray he's admirers

991
00:39:29,900 --> 00:39:26,910
and great a casino hello the way you say

992
00:39:32,060 --> 00:39:29,910
P's Edmar isn't I get in a lot of

993
00:39:33,860 --> 00:39:32,070
trouble where's my American friends I

994
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:33,870
saying that well of course for our

995
00:39:38,060 --> 00:39:36,090
American listen is there z is pronounced

996
00:39:39,650 --> 00:39:38,070
dead in Australia but you know I call

997
00:39:43,940 --> 00:39:39,660
him pz because that's what everyone

998
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:43,950
calls him but you know well we also do

999
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:47,040
protests actually my first my first

1000
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:48,720
interaction with the group was the

1001
00:39:52,610 --> 00:39:50,370
Westboro Baptist Church came to Las

1002
00:39:54,890 --> 00:39:52,620
Vegas all those famous guys write God

1003
00:39:57,260 --> 00:39:54,900
hates everything I yes yes that was that

1004
00:40:01,250 --> 00:39:57,270
was a fun time so that's how I i found

1005
00:40:03,350 --> 00:40:01,260
the group and today I've I'm the public

1006
00:40:06,110 --> 00:40:03,360
events officer for the group so it's my

1007
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:06,120
responsibility to find interesting

1008
00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:09,330
speakers find prominent people and the

1009
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,110
skeptical and the Atheist community and

1010
00:40:17,690 --> 00:40:14,640
see if we can get them to to do it talks

1011
00:40:19,970 --> 00:40:17,700
for for our group fantastic now if

1012
00:40:21,770 --> 00:40:19,980
people are interested to find out what

1013
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:21,780
website should they visit the website to

1014
00:40:27,410 --> 00:40:26,010
go to is secular students org and this

1015
00:40:30,110 --> 00:40:27,420
is getting this is getting a pretty big

1016
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,120
movement in America and I think there

1017
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:32,400
are some some affiliate groups in

1018
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:34,010
Australia so

1019
00:40:38,050 --> 00:40:36,050
if you feel like you can organize and

1020
00:40:40,450 --> 00:40:38,060
you get some friends together then I

1021
00:40:42,250 --> 00:40:40,460
highly suggest starting a group what a

1022
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:42,260
great idea pokes you can also visit the

1023
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:44,090
show notes for this episode that skeptic

1024
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:46,850
zone got TV to find out more well Liam

1025
00:40:50,410 --> 00:40:49,040
again thank you very much for being nice

1026
00:40:52,510 --> 00:40:50,420
enough to collect me from the airport

1027
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:52,520
and enjoy the rest of the amazing

1028
00:41:08,230 --> 00:40:54,050
meeting thank you very much for let me

1029
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:08,240
on the show hello I'm Finn I'm co-host

1030
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:10,160
of the skipper cons podcaster podcast

1031
00:41:14,170 --> 00:41:12,650
from Dublin Ireland we look at things of

1032
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:14,180
a skeptical nature from an Irish point

1033
00:41:24,210 --> 00:41:17,930
of view you can find us on WWF for coins

1034
00:41:26,260 --> 00:41:24,220
com that's sk v.p or e CH a UNS com

1035
00:41:27,580 --> 00:41:26,270
please listen to us and give us some

1036
00:41:38,419 --> 00:41:27,590
feedback we love hearing from our

1037
00:41:42,509 --> 00:41:41,039
look I'm at skeptics in the pub and

1038
00:41:44,039 --> 00:41:42,519
we're in the usual airlock where i talk

1039
00:41:46,139 --> 00:41:44,049
to people of course people will walk

1040
00:41:48,179 --> 00:41:46,149
past from time to time I have Albert and

1041
00:41:50,699 --> 00:41:48,189
gene here good evening good evening good

1042
00:41:52,469 --> 00:41:50,709
evening and now I believe you may be

1043
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:52,479
interested in taking the skeptics

1044
00:41:58,709 --> 00:41:54,130
challenge here in Australia of what do

1045
00:42:02,399 --> 00:41:58,719
you claim well we claim that gene can

1046
00:42:05,939 --> 00:42:02,409
read people's minds to to a certain

1047
00:42:11,459 --> 00:42:05,949
degree that's their past experiences and

1048
00:42:14,130 --> 00:42:11,469
their life in general and she's been

1049
00:42:16,380 --> 00:42:14,140
able to do this in the past many 300

1050
00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:16,390
many times many many times when we were

1051
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:19,359
living in Hong Kong and in China as I

1052
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:21,729
like to do it with people I hadn't met

1053
00:42:26,249 --> 00:42:24,640
before because I wouldn't like to be

1054
00:42:29,069 --> 00:42:26,259
cheating but when it was people that I

1055
00:42:30,929 --> 00:42:29,079
had to have an interpreter for two for

1056
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:30,939
me to tell them what I could see and

1057
00:42:36,149 --> 00:42:33,729
feel I felt that it was genuine you know

1058
00:42:38,189 --> 00:42:36,159
than what I was saying and gene how did

1059
00:42:39,389 --> 00:42:38,199
you discover this with most people who

1060
00:42:41,009 --> 00:42:39,399
have this ability it's when they're

1061
00:42:42,689 --> 00:42:41,019
younger and they kind of mentioned yeah

1062
00:42:46,259 --> 00:42:42,699
it hasn't happened when we went to work

1063
00:42:50,159 --> 00:42:46,269
in China and Hong Kong the telling

1064
00:42:52,499 --> 00:42:50,169
cricket club was holding a fight and

1065
00:42:55,859 --> 00:42:52,509
they said to me gene what would you like

1066
00:42:57,839 --> 00:42:55,869
to do what sort of saw would you like to

1067
00:42:59,579 --> 00:42:57,849
head and I didn't want to do a cake

1068
00:43:02,009 --> 00:42:59,589
stall or anything like that I said look

1069
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:02,019
put me in a tent and I'll read far palms

1070
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:04,089
I didn't think I could do it i thought i

1071
00:43:08,009 --> 00:43:07,119
was just just give a go i yes hang on

1072
00:43:11,459 --> 00:43:08,019
there's just some people coming through

1073
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:11,469
I thought you'd have a go it was a bit

1074
00:43:17,789 --> 00:43:15,130
of a joke yes and I had two of the

1075
00:43:19,439 --> 00:43:17,799
ladies they they got me the customers

1076
00:43:20,580 --> 00:43:19,449
because we had a lot of people come to

1077
00:43:22,650 --> 00:43:20,590
the club

1078
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:22,660
and I said as long as I don't have to

1079
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:25,930
handle money i'll be happy just ring a

1080
00:43:31,890 --> 00:43:28,090
bell at the end of ten minutes and they

1081
00:43:34,380 --> 00:43:31,900
can go and all i wanted them to say on

1082
00:43:35,940 --> 00:43:34,390
my accuracy of reading their palms and

1083
00:43:39,210 --> 00:43:35,950
looking at them and holding their pulse

1084
00:43:42,660 --> 00:43:39,220
score up give me a score out of 10 and i

1085
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:42,670
never got less than nine hmm and what

1086
00:43:46,650 --> 00:43:45,370
was can you explain this so that you can

1087
00:43:50,340 --> 00:43:46,660
either of you explain how this has come

1088
00:43:54,690 --> 00:43:50,350
about now we don't know I have an idea

1089
00:43:59,130 --> 00:43:54,700
that as we have electrical impulses in

1090
00:44:05,460 --> 00:43:59,140
our biological build up that our mind

1091
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:05,470
has a certain range of electrical waves

1092
00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:08,970
if you like brain waves or electrical

1093
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:14,110
wave lengths and maybe our wavelength

1094
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:16,930
will meet you do you think perhaps Genie

1095
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:19,330
have a quite a talent for cold reading

1096
00:44:22,620 --> 00:44:21,130
people you can read the reactions in

1097
00:44:25,110 --> 00:44:22,630
their face and do it that way I had to

1098
00:44:27,060 --> 00:44:25,120
go into China to open a factory and I

1099
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:27,070
was the head one of the head guests and

1100
00:44:32,610 --> 00:44:30,730
I sing at the top table with all Chinese

1101
00:44:35,180 --> 00:44:32,620
I couldn't speak English just my

1102
00:44:39,390 --> 00:44:35,190
interpreter was sitting opposite me and

1103
00:44:41,370 --> 00:44:39,400
I had the Chief of Police of that whole

1104
00:44:43,860 --> 00:44:41,380
province sex to me I was getting a bit

1105
00:44:48,420 --> 00:44:43,870
bored not said to the are policemen the

1106
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:48,430
old police true I said let me read your

1107
00:44:57,060 --> 00:44:51,610
palm you know I'll get my interpreter

1108
00:45:00,030 --> 00:44:57,070
across the table to translate so I said

1109
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:00,040
to him you've got three children no two

1110
00:45:06,090 --> 00:45:03,490
children a boy and a girl she kicked me

1111
00:45:08,070 --> 00:45:06,100
under the table one child and she's

1112
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:08,080
trying to tell me to tell him one and I

1113
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:11,370
said no no he had a daughter and a son I

1114
00:45:18,030 --> 00:45:14,770
said and he's looking at me and I said

1115
00:45:21,150 --> 00:45:18,040
the daughter left home when she was 16

1116
00:45:22,890 --> 00:45:21,160
and you haven't heard from her since but

1117
00:45:24,990 --> 00:45:22,900
I said it's a strange thing both your

1118
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:25,000
children were adopted now fancy telling

1119
00:45:29,260 --> 00:45:26,650
a Chinese man that his family was

1120
00:45:30,430 --> 00:45:29,270
adopted in China yes that

1121
00:45:32,410 --> 00:45:30,440
and I said they're going out on a limb

1122
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:32,420
there I was I don't know where it was

1123
00:45:37,660 --> 00:45:34,850
coming from but I was worried and she

1124
00:45:40,780 --> 00:45:37,670
said gene he's the police chief you know

1125
00:45:43,810 --> 00:45:40,790
that's okay I said did both adopted I

1126
00:45:45,250 --> 00:45:43,820
said in your wife it's not Chinese now a

1127
00:45:47,110 --> 00:45:45,260
fancy coming out and illumined telling

1128
00:45:50,050 --> 00:45:47,120
him that yeah I said she comes from

1129
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:50,060
Cambodia I sure I didn't even know we

1130
00:45:57,700 --> 00:45:52,720
Cambodia was at that stage I so stupid

1131
00:46:01,420 --> 00:45:57,710
anyway yes and I said and I can see your

1132
00:46:04,750 --> 00:46:01,430
wife is not well I can see a wheelchair

1133
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:04,760
she's going to be in a wheelchair I know

1134
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:07,520
a little bit later and she's translate

1135
00:46:11,380 --> 00:46:08,810
and all this and trying to shut me up

1136
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:11,390
and I said I think she's got multiple

1137
00:46:17,650 --> 00:46:14,570
sclerosis which she did have was she

1138
00:46:19,450 --> 00:46:17,660
developed and he's by this time I was

1139
00:46:23,860 --> 00:46:19,460
looking at him I just hold his hand he

1140
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:23,870
tears up or down his face and he said

1141
00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:26,690
it's all true he said I've never had

1142
00:46:32,830 --> 00:46:31,250
anyone read my life like you have as a

1143
00:46:34,690 --> 00:46:32,840
lot more things I said to him but I

1144
00:46:38,110 --> 00:46:34,700
can't remember now because this was 20

1145
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:38,120
years ago and gene can you tell me when

1146
00:46:41,590 --> 00:46:39,680
when you see these things about people's

1147
00:46:44,350 --> 00:46:41,600
lives how do they appear to they appear

1148
00:46:47,140 --> 00:46:44,360
as words do they appear as images how do

1149
00:46:50,170 --> 00:46:47,150
they pd you just comes out I've become

1150
00:46:52,990 --> 00:46:50,180
very vocal and I'm sort of not in a

1151
00:46:55,180 --> 00:46:53,000
trance I'm quite with it and now but how

1152
00:46:56,860 --> 00:46:55,190
did you make of it Jeanne's newfound

1153
00:46:58,720 --> 00:46:56,870
ability after she thought every bit of a

1154
00:47:00,660 --> 00:46:58,730
goad reading parts and turns out she can

1155
00:47:04,210 --> 00:47:00,670
actually do something as a

1156
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:04,220
dyed-in-the-wool skeptic and atheist I

1157
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:07,570
don't believe that it's a gift from

1158
00:47:15,250 --> 00:47:10,510
outside spiritual or anything like that

1159
00:47:20,260 --> 00:47:15,260
and I just had to accept it

1160
00:47:24,820 --> 00:47:20,270
and not only did she have gained the

1161
00:47:29,380 --> 00:47:24,830
ability to read people's past life but

1162
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:29,390
also she wrote beautiful poetry from

1163
00:47:35,140 --> 00:47:32,090
that time she wrote some very very nice

1164
00:47:37,060 --> 00:47:35,150
poems and what I'm asking you is how do

1165
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:37,070
you suggest we test this was the way of

1166
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:40,160
testing well I've asked Ian Bryce to

1167
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:43,010
come up with a criteria do it with

1168
00:47:47,830 --> 00:47:45,410
someone else I was surprised i could do

1169
00:47:51,250 --> 00:47:47,840
it i do you know this is something that

1170
00:47:54,700 --> 00:47:51,260
i don't do here albert wanted me to make

1171
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:54,710
money out of it enjoy and i wasn't

1172
00:47:58,780 --> 00:47:56,960
interested well i'm told that these

1173
00:48:00,400 --> 00:47:58,790
powers it's not good if you use them in

1174
00:48:02,290 --> 00:48:00,410
the realm for money i'm told this by

1175
00:48:04,270 --> 00:48:02,300
another people it's not good when

1176
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:04,280
they're i use the word karma to be doing

1177
00:48:09,730 --> 00:48:06,770
that I don't know we did discuss the

1178
00:48:13,690 --> 00:48:09,740
possibility of staying in China or Hong

1179
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:13,700
Kong because every time we would for a

1180
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:16,850
trip to China on as a tourist and every

1181
00:48:24,580 --> 00:48:21,850
time we stopped to try this out being

1182
00:48:28,330 --> 00:48:24,590
queues of people came up warning there

1183
00:48:31,570 --> 00:48:28,340
but with a very very superstitious so we

1184
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:31,580
could have stayed in China and probably

1185
00:48:37,450 --> 00:48:34,370
made a fortune out of it however we got

1186
00:48:39,490 --> 00:48:37,460
am sick and we gotta our family we're

1187
00:48:41,350 --> 00:48:39,500
married we've been 62 years marriage

1188
00:48:43,780 --> 00:48:41,360
yeah I've got to serve all that you two

1189
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:43,790
peas in a pot that's a show no no I

1190
00:48:48,910 --> 00:48:45,650
don't believe in what he believes in

1191
00:48:51,730 --> 00:48:48,920
he's a real life used atheist and he

1192
00:48:53,500 --> 00:48:51,740
says troublemaker album but its present

1193
00:48:55,900 --> 00:48:53,510
he'd like to start the revolution get

1194
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:55,910
rid of banks and make everything a lot

1195
00:49:00,610 --> 00:48:57,410
of it have a word to me letter L but I

1196
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:00,620
could you I'm down on your side but but

1197
00:49:04,900 --> 00:49:02,330
you're much more holistic about the

1198
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:04,910
approach of it or well when I came back

1199
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:07,280
here I was talking to the ladies at the

1200
00:49:11,250 --> 00:49:08,960
Bowling Club and said you know I had a

1201
00:49:14,130 --> 00:49:11,260
bit of fortunate in

1202
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:14,140
a bit clearer vine and this he was the

1203
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:15,760
head of the club he said I don't believe

1204
00:49:20,820 --> 00:49:18,130
in all that crap journey and I said well

1205
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:20,830
show me a hand and I looked at it and I

1206
00:49:25,620 --> 00:49:23,170
said look something terrible happened to

1207
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:25,630
you when you were 32 years old now you

1208
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:30,370
listen to this and he just I said do you

1209
00:49:35,220 --> 00:49:32,610
want me to continue and he said yes

1210
00:49:37,650 --> 00:49:35,230
because he didn't think I knew I said

1211
00:49:39,660 --> 00:49:37,660
your wife died she was an epileptic and

1212
00:49:43,130 --> 00:49:39,670
she had a fit in the bath and drowned

1213
00:49:45,630 --> 00:49:43,140
now where the hell would I get that from

1214
00:49:47,970 --> 00:49:45,640
that is that is a pretty amazing guess

1215
00:49:49,470 --> 00:49:47,980
if it was a guess I guess it just came

1216
00:49:52,410 --> 00:49:49,480
through and you guess that's all yeah

1217
00:49:54,180 --> 00:49:52,420
well i think i have got it but i don't

1218
00:49:56,550 --> 00:49:54,190
say i can get it to say you come up and

1219
00:49:58,350 --> 00:49:56,560
I can get vibes from you and go through

1220
00:50:00,750 --> 00:49:58,360
some bloody tests on the side you know

1221
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:00,760
they get it and what about I don't need

1222
00:50:05,460 --> 00:50:03,970
a million dollars is it palms or what is

1223
00:50:07,410 --> 00:50:05,470
it you normally that normally activates

1224
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:07,420
what you've got well it's not only palms

1225
00:50:12,540 --> 00:50:09,610
it's just I think it's just so you hold

1226
00:50:14,130 --> 00:50:12,550
your hand I must get something from you

1227
00:50:15,390 --> 00:50:14,140
I don't know what it is ought to be

1228
00:50:16,830 --> 00:50:15,400
probably feeling I'm feeling negative

1229
00:50:19,110 --> 00:50:16,840
guys say be getting lots of negative

1230
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:19,120
vibes for me at the moment let's have a

1231
00:50:25,500 --> 00:50:23,770
look kimchi glasses I didn't bring them

1232
00:50:27,570 --> 00:50:25,510
now I've got it I gotta warn you I'm

1233
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:27,580
very worried this the sort thing spooks

1234
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:29,650
me out so don't don't so don't say too

1235
00:50:33,300 --> 00:50:31,930
much I get freaked out very might be

1236
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:33,310
with the skeptics as a fellow traveler

1237
00:50:40,380 --> 00:50:35,970
but this stuff really freaks me out

1238
00:50:42,660 --> 00:50:40,390
what's shower should you because deep

1239
00:50:44,910 --> 00:50:42,670
down you're not a skeptic well there you

1240
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:44,920
go see you a thing I won't say anymore

1241
00:50:48,570 --> 00:50:46,960
well the problem is that the skeptics

1242
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:48,580
are not a skeptic and my paranormal

1243
00:50:51,690 --> 00:50:50,290
friends say I'm not a real paranormal

1244
00:50:54,180 --> 00:50:51,700
personally that's like I get shot by

1245
00:50:56,550 --> 00:50:54,190
both the ability to be a lot and

1246
00:50:58,740 --> 00:50:56,560
paranormal than you were to believe you

1247
00:51:01,460 --> 00:50:58,750
know when you see this in my hand that

1248
00:51:03,830 --> 00:51:01,470
shows that i've i've got the gift

1249
00:51:10,970 --> 00:51:03,840
and which exact fold is that sorry i'll

1250
00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:10,980
show you my saw where does to you nice

1251
00:51:15,410 --> 00:51:12,780
mocha I guess here it is that up there

1252
00:51:18,589 --> 00:51:15,420
there and there that's a big game long

1253
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:18,599
ok so like an inverted kind of why yeah

1254
00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:22,800
well I'm both hands either p.m. here we

1255
00:51:30,050 --> 00:51:26,220
are here been better Sam mm-hmm well

1256
00:51:32,839 --> 00:51:30,060
melon everyone that I've looked at that

1257
00:51:35,089 --> 00:51:32,849
shows that they're deeply into something

1258
00:51:36,530 --> 00:51:35,099
new uncanny more but look you've got a

1259
00:51:38,450 --> 00:51:36,540
good life line you shouldn't have a

1260
00:51:40,970 --> 00:51:38,460
feeling of doom I know why you're

1261
00:51:45,710 --> 00:51:40,980
worried because there's heart conditions

1262
00:51:47,089 --> 00:51:45,720
in your family yeah I guess so yeah yeah

1263
00:51:48,770 --> 00:51:47,099
I guess so yeah that that that is

1264
00:51:50,180 --> 00:51:48,780
possible but that you little you think

1265
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:50,190
you're not going to have a long life oh

1266
00:51:52,700 --> 00:51:51,359
I definitely think I'm not going to have

1267
00:51:55,970 --> 00:51:52,710
a long life probably next Tuesday

1268
00:52:00,500 --> 00:51:55,980
Wednesday is another but I am Diane that

1269
00:52:03,859 --> 00:52:00,510
fatalistic know I know I am I am I using

1270
00:52:05,420 --> 00:52:03,869
these nice to tell me that look well you

1271
00:52:07,220 --> 00:52:05,430
can see a long lifeline there but like I

1272
00:52:09,339 --> 00:52:07,230
said next thursday at the latest for me

1273
00:52:11,690 --> 00:52:09,349
I said you've got a good life like

1274
00:52:13,339 --> 00:52:11,700
getting back to how we test this I mean

1275
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:13,349
like you said yesterday are you gonna

1276
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:16,290
test it i will get 10 people from out

1277
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:20,730
there any 10 and i don't know what just

1278
00:52:26,270 --> 00:52:22,770
really i don't really want any we don't

1279
00:52:29,470 --> 00:52:26,280
we don't know whether it'll be a success

1280
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:29,480
or not we just want to find out if I

1281
00:52:34,849 --> 00:52:32,609
dollar strict conditions of testing

1282
00:52:37,310 --> 00:52:34,859
whether it's correct or not because in

1283
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:37,320
that yeah well yeah at all so it's kind

1284
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:38,640
of like it's got to like be a black and

1285
00:52:42,890 --> 00:52:40,410
white answer and that also is not what

1286
00:52:46,130 --> 00:52:42,900
it's kind of about is it doing yeah yeah

1287
00:52:48,859 --> 00:52:46,140
yeah so look I wish you both good luck

1288
00:52:50,780 --> 00:52:48,869
with it and I hope we can figure out

1289
00:52:52,849 --> 00:52:50,790
some tests and if you want to go along

1290
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:52,859
with it I guess it's to approach it with

1291
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:54,450
a bit of an open mind and see how you go

1292
00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:56,400
and not be too already the way because

1293
00:52:59,839 --> 00:52:58,050
the money is not important it's not the

1294
00:53:02,480 --> 00:52:59,849
money that it's important I'd like it's

1295
00:53:04,450 --> 00:53:02,490
someone to explain to me how I do it

1296
00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:04,460
yeah how it's done I

1297
00:53:08,530 --> 00:53:06,710
I don't care yeah well like I was saying

1298
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:08,540
to you I was spoken to many people that

1299
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:10,250
have a gift of some sort and they all

1300
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:12,050
say it comes in different ways shapes

1301
00:53:17,710 --> 00:53:14,480
numbers shadows just not look what I'm

1302
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:17,720
talking it's like this yeah oh yeah that

1303
00:53:21,130 --> 00:53:19,760
they all say in different ways and and

1304
00:53:23,260 --> 00:53:21,140
the way it comes to you it just seems to

1305
00:53:25,210 --> 00:53:23,270
be almost sublingual it comes shooting

1306
00:53:27,310 --> 00:53:25,220
out of you like that it does i don't

1307
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:27,320
have to think about it yeah yeah well

1308
00:53:30,430 --> 00:53:28,880
look thank you for both talking to me

1309
00:53:32,410 --> 00:53:30,440
and i don't think the end of this but

1310
00:53:35,470 --> 00:53:32,420
it's been nice sharing a bit of quality

1311
00:53:37,150 --> 00:53:35,480
time in a small corridor with you albert

1312
00:53:39,250 --> 00:53:37,160
gets carried away with the million

1313
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:39,260
dollars but i'm not interested in that

1314
00:53:42,430 --> 00:53:40,970
well i'm not interested in a million

1315
00:53:45,790 --> 00:53:42,440
dollars as a matter of fact I've given

1316
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:45,800
most of my money away and I've published

1317
00:53:52,270 --> 00:53:49,280
a book called civilization hijacked and

1318
00:53:54,609 --> 00:53:52,280
the subtitle is rescuing Jesus from

1319
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:54,619
Christianity and the human spirit from

1320
00:53:59,470 --> 00:53:58,010
bondage no look at Albert and Jean thank

1321
00:54:02,620 --> 00:53:59,480
you very much for talking to me and I

1322
00:54:03,790 --> 00:54:02,630
hope we can devise some tests but it's

1323
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:03,800
been lovely talking to you both and

1324
00:54:06,849 --> 00:54:05,119
hearing what you're both about in a nice

1325
00:54:09,220 --> 00:54:06,859
quiet environment thank you very much

1326
00:54:12,339 --> 00:54:09,230
thank you thank you for listening to it

1327
00:54:14,050 --> 00:54:12,349
look I've had a great chat with Albert

1328
00:54:16,270 --> 00:54:14,060
and Jean who are along tonight here and

1329
00:54:18,460 --> 00:54:16,280
I've got a couple of copy of Albert's

1330
00:54:20,290 --> 00:54:18,470
book and let me tell you him and me and

1331
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:20,300
the no agenda show are all on the same

1332
00:54:26,349 --> 00:54:23,599
page let me tell you well I had a brief

1333
00:54:28,329 --> 00:54:26,359
chat to him too he was asking questions

1334
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:28,339
after my talk so I hope you found him

1335
00:54:33,099 --> 00:54:30,290
interesting may not look they're a great

1336
00:54:35,020 --> 00:54:33,109
couple and IIIi think the difficult

1337
00:54:37,650 --> 00:54:35,030
thing is going to be devising a test

1338
00:54:40,570 --> 00:54:37,660
that can work with clairvoyance because

1339
00:54:42,250 --> 00:54:40,580
yeah oh there walk well how was it

1340
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:42,260
normally tested around when they try

1341
00:54:46,190 --> 00:54:44,130
that I think

1342
00:54:47,870 --> 00:54:46,200
Richard mentioned earlier and he soaked

1343
00:54:50,210 --> 00:54:47,880
tonight you mentioned the fact that

1344
00:54:51,860 --> 00:54:50,220
people have to be able to state what

1345
00:54:54,740 --> 00:54:51,870
they claim is what they claim to do to

1346
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:54,750
do under what conditions and to what

1347
00:54:59,300 --> 00:54:57,450
level of accuracy I think gene is

1348
00:55:01,220 --> 00:54:59,310
obviously very sincere but I think she

1349
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:01,230
would have very great difficulties

1350
00:55:05,390 --> 00:55:03,450
around the first part of saying what it

1351
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:05,400
is that she can do because while she

1352
00:55:10,790 --> 00:55:07,770
claims to be a clairvoyant when I also

1353
00:55:12,770 --> 00:55:10,800
how she actually does what she does she

1354
00:55:14,300 --> 00:55:12,780
couldn't explain and then she actually

1355
00:55:16,460 --> 00:55:14,310
read my palm do you want to hear about

1356
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:16,470
the palm reading she gave me um yeah

1357
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:18,240
well what did she say around she read my

1358
00:55:22,850 --> 00:55:20,370
palm and I considered some of it to be

1359
00:55:24,410 --> 00:55:22,860
accurate what she said ok so she she

1360
00:55:28,490 --> 00:55:24,420
read my palm and she said a few things

1361
00:55:30,290 --> 00:55:28,500
she said I had one boy whom she was

1362
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:30,300
introduced to earlier in the evening and

1363
00:55:33,620 --> 00:55:32,490
two girls and she was she wasn't

1364
00:55:34,910 --> 00:55:33,630
introduced early in the evening because

1365
00:55:39,230 --> 00:55:34,920
I don't actually have two girls have

1366
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:39,240
three boys she said I was I was easily

1367
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:42,000
led each considering the fact that I

1368
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:45,210
managed about 250 people is probably not

1369
00:55:50,330 --> 00:55:48,330
a very good way to describe describe me

1370
00:55:52,490 --> 00:55:50,340
and I'm the president of the skeptics

1371
00:55:54,290 --> 00:55:52,500
and so I don't know and she knew that I

1372
00:55:56,690 --> 00:55:54,300
i would have thought she may may have

1373
00:55:58,460 --> 00:55:56,700
thought about that as well she said that

1374
00:56:00,020 --> 00:55:58,470
I will have a very long life I hope

1375
00:56:01,820 --> 00:56:00,030
she's right about that one but I think

1376
00:56:04,310 --> 00:56:01,830
he'll take another 50 years or so to

1377
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:04,320
find out well she is that what she said

1378
00:56:08,090 --> 00:56:06,090
that I would have a long life she said I

1379
00:56:10,130 --> 00:56:08,100
was concerned about heart condition in

1380
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:10,140
my family my dad does have a leaky heart

1381
00:56:13,580 --> 00:56:12,210
valve and she said that I'm not a real

1382
00:56:15,290 --> 00:56:13,590
skeptic and I think most people in this

1383
00:56:17,090 --> 00:56:15,300
room would say that about me as well so

1384
00:56:18,590 --> 00:56:17,100
that's not a bad hit right that's not a

1385
00:56:20,780 --> 00:56:18,600
bad hit right by she also said that I'm

1386
00:56:23,090 --> 00:56:20,790
not a real skeptic and she knew I was

1387
00:56:24,410 --> 00:56:23,100
from Israel so she said that Judaism is

1388
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:24,420
actually very important to me but I

1389
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:26,400
tried to push it away but it's not

1390
00:56:30,350 --> 00:56:28,770
working and I'm not a real skeptic and

1391
00:56:32,270 --> 00:56:30,360
the problem is that I grew up in a

1392
00:56:34,370 --> 00:56:32,280
completely secular environment my

1393
00:56:36,770 --> 00:56:34,380
parents are skeptics my grandparents

1394
00:56:40,010 --> 00:56:36,780
were sorry atheists my grandparents were

1395
00:56:42,050 --> 00:56:40,020
atheists maybe maybe a generation before

1396
00:56:45,530 --> 00:56:42,060
that there was some religion but not not

1397
00:56:46,970 --> 00:56:45,540
hardcore so there was no I didn't grow

1398
00:56:49,220 --> 00:56:46,980
up particularly Jewish so there's

1399
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:49,230
nothing for me to retain so she was

1400
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:50,970
wrong on that count as well she also

1401
00:56:54,430 --> 00:56:52,610
means made some

1402
00:56:57,850 --> 00:56:54,440
mentions which I not repeat but we were

1403
00:57:00,400 --> 00:56:57,860
wrong and overall the kind of things she

1404
00:57:03,730 --> 00:57:00,410
was right at with things like you have a

1405
00:57:07,180 --> 00:57:03,740
need to be liked unlike most people I

1406
00:57:09,310 --> 00:57:07,190
mean really and when you have had a good

1407
00:57:10,810 --> 00:57:09,320
light you have had a charmed life I'd

1408
00:57:12,340 --> 00:57:10,820
say I had a pretty good life she was

1409
00:57:14,830 --> 00:57:12,350
probably right about that but I you know

1410
00:57:16,060 --> 00:57:14,840
I live in Australia and she said when he

1411
00:57:17,740 --> 00:57:16,070
moved to you moved from Israel to

1412
00:57:22,090 --> 00:57:17,750
Australian that that really improved

1413
00:57:25,870 --> 00:57:22,100
your situation I mean really okay you

1414
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:25,880
know so overall three or four out of 10

1415
00:57:29,890 --> 00:57:28,250
I think they're both very nice people

1416
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:29,900
and I think the very nice genuine I

1417
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:31,970
think you're just being a main man again

1418
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:34,250
no I actually think there are very nice

1419
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:35,690
people and I've had a very long

1420
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:37,520
conversation with them and I think it

1421
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:38,930
was perfectly polite I think they will

1422
00:57:46,030 --> 00:57:42,530
probably say so if you ask them and I

1423
00:57:48,970 --> 00:57:46,040
explained to them also about how the

1424
00:57:50,530 --> 00:57:48,980
fact that we we seek evidence you know

1425
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:50,540
it's just the way we test things you

1426
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:52,250
know you want to believe this fine you

1427
00:57:55,690 --> 00:57:53,690
know you don't you do if you don't need

1428
00:57:57,820 --> 00:57:55,700
evidence for yourself that's fine we're

1429
00:57:59,800 --> 00:57:57,830
not going to try to force our views down

1430
00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:59,810
your throat but if you want to convince

1431
00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:01,760
a skeptic so as somebody who comes to

1432
00:58:04,990 --> 00:58:03,200
this pub regularly in commission

1433
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:05,000
considers themselves to be a scientific

1434
00:58:08,830 --> 00:58:06,770
skeptic then you would have to prove

1435
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:08,840
evidence to provide evidence and that

1436
00:58:12,580 --> 00:58:10,610
evidence would have to be provided under

1437
00:58:14,050 --> 00:58:12,590
appropriate test conditions and we had a

1438
00:58:16,060 --> 00:58:14,060
very long discussion about what

1439
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:16,070
appropriate test conditions are and why

1440
00:58:20,140 --> 00:58:18,770
anecdotes do not count well I look

1441
00:58:22,660 --> 00:58:20,150
forward to seeing a test that you might

1442
00:58:23,980 --> 00:58:22,670
put together in the near future if it's

1443
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:23,990
even possible

1444
00:58:27,820 --> 00:58:26,240
hey again as I said I don't think

1445
00:58:46,909 --> 00:58:27,830
they'll be able to make a claim that

1446
00:58:51,359 --> 00:58:49,409
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1447
00:58:53,909 --> 00:58:51,369
zone only one more episode to go and

1448
00:58:56,999 --> 00:58:53,919
it's the big 200 that's going to be

1449
00:59:00,120 --> 00:58:57,009
worth listening to we have a very good

1450
00:59:02,130 --> 00:59:00,130
Maynard type interview with DJ Grothe

1451
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:02,140
the president of the James Randi

1452
00:59:08,849 --> 00:59:06,880
Educational Foundation and Wow some

1453
00:59:10,979 --> 00:59:08,859
really interesting stuff DJ has to tell

1454
00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:10,989
Maynard and of course to tell you worth

1455
00:59:17,189 --> 00:59:13,689
the wait worth the wait and that'll be

1456
00:59:19,799 --> 00:59:17,199
followed by a special celebratory think

1457
00:59:22,439 --> 00:59:19,809
tank yeah the good old thing thanks back

1458
00:59:25,049 --> 00:59:22,449
so I look very much forward to that now

1459
00:59:27,149 --> 00:59:25,059
before we wrap up the skeptic zone a

1460
00:59:29,969 --> 00:59:27,159
couple of our announcements or a couple

1461
00:59:32,849 --> 00:59:29,979
of websites I might recommend you visit

1462
00:59:37,229 --> 00:59:32,859
if you haven't checked out spirit

1463
00:59:39,539 --> 00:59:37,239
Questers well you should spirit Questers

1464
00:59:42,689 --> 00:59:39,549
it's sort of a an answer to all those

1465
00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:42,699
paranormal reality type shows it's a

1466
00:59:46,709 --> 00:59:44,559
spoof it's a send-up but it's really

1467
00:59:48,539 --> 00:59:46,719
funny and it draws attention to how

1468
00:59:50,629 --> 00:59:48,549
silly these shows are and the logical

1469
00:59:53,189 --> 00:59:50,639
fallacies and so on look have a look

1470
00:59:57,599 --> 00:59:53,199
spirit Questers can be found on YouTube

1471
00:59:59,579 --> 00:59:57,609
at youtube.com slash spirit Questers or

1472
01:00:03,329 --> 00:59:59,589
just follow the link on the show notes

1473
01:00:05,759 --> 01:00:03,339
for this episode at ww skeptic zone TV

1474
01:00:07,859 --> 01:00:05,769
we also have a note from our dear friend

1475
01:00:10,739 --> 01:00:07,869
Jay novella at the skeptics guide to the

1476
01:00:13,789 --> 01:00:10,749
universe who has launched a Kickstarter

1477
01:00:16,739 --> 01:00:13,799
campaign for a new web series called Oh

1478
01:00:20,370 --> 01:00:16,749
The Skeptical caveman I think it's

1479
01:00:22,649 --> 01:00:20,380
pronounced doc occ the adventures of a

1480
01:00:24,659 --> 01:00:22,659
skeptical caveman which is also on

1481
01:00:26,969 --> 01:00:24,669
YouTube just google the skeptical

1482
01:00:29,069 --> 01:00:26,979
caveman and I'm sure you'll find out

1483
01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:29,079
more about it now that looks like a lot

1484
01:00:33,269 --> 01:00:31,359
of fun and the video they've made of the

1485
01:00:35,279 --> 01:00:33,279
first adventures the skeptical caveman

1486
01:00:36,839 --> 01:00:35,289
look like it was so much fun to make and

1487
01:00:38,999 --> 01:00:36,849
a lot of people behind the skeptics

1488
01:00:41,009 --> 01:00:39,009
guide to the universe are involved in

1489
01:00:43,949 --> 01:00:41,019
the in the production of that so give it

1490
01:00:45,929 --> 01:00:43,959
a look The Skeptical caveman one last

1491
01:00:49,349 --> 01:00:45,939
thing thank you to all those people have

1492
01:00:51,989 --> 01:00:49,359
been riding in saying how much I enjoy

1493
01:00:54,299 --> 01:00:51,999
the the interviews from Tam brought to

1494
01:00:56,729 --> 01:00:54,309
us by Maynard I've passed those on the

1495
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:56,739
main art of course but I i I'm with you

1496
01:00:59,160 --> 01:00:57,370
I'm

1497
01:01:01,020 --> 01:00:59,170
you agree with you those interviews that

1498
01:01:03,090 --> 01:01:01,030
main art has been giving us from Tam

1499
01:01:04,830 --> 01:01:03,100
have just been sensational as you'll

1500
01:01:08,430 --> 01:01:04,840
discover also next week with his

1501
01:01:09,930 --> 01:01:08,440
interview with DJ Grothe so I'll say it

1502
01:01:12,270 --> 01:01:09,940
again and I'll say it until everybody's

1503
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:12,280
sick of me saying it thank you to those

1504
01:01:17,310 --> 01:01:14,290
people who chip in to the skeptic zone

1505
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:17,320
so we can do things like send may not

1506
01:01:20,970 --> 01:01:18,850
the amazing meeting to get all those

1507
01:01:22,620 --> 01:01:20,980
wonderful interviews all those people

1508
01:01:27,150 --> 01:01:22,630
who helped us who support the skeptic

1509
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:27,160
zone at ww skeptics on TV sit back have

1510
01:01:32,190 --> 01:01:30,130
a drink you have the drink of your

1511
01:01:34,650 --> 01:01:32,200
choice and no with great satisfaction

1512
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:34,660
that you've helped us bring you these

1513
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:38,050
wonderful reports until next week until

1514
01:01:44,130 --> 01:01:41,410
the big 200th episode of the skeptic

1515
01:01:50,730 --> 01:01:44,140
zone this is Richard Saunders signing

1516
01:01:54,030 --> 01:01:50,740
off from Sydney Australia you've been

1517
01:01:58,560 --> 01:01:54,040
listening to the skeptic zone visit our

1518
01:02:01,020 --> 01:01:58,570
website at www skeptics on TV for